I would seriously question anything written by the authors before purchasing their work. Converted by colt from a model 1849 pocket r for sale by alpha omega services llc on gunsamerica 987003054. Howell old west conversions cylinders and back plates are made from certified 4150 arsenal grade steel for insuring strength and durability. The book is also riddled with typos and other obviously false details, such as listing 9mm makarov as a rimmed cartridge. Buy the home guide to cartridge conversions by george c. Colts first effort toward a metallic cartridge revolver was by conversion of existing percussion revolvers. It just requires resizing the neck then trimming it. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions paperback. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversionsnook book. Case reforming cartridge conversions by molly i asked molly to put together some details on case reforming as he has done quite a bit of it over the years and for many today who are used to the abundance of good. The home guide to cartridge conversions by george c. When the white patent expired in 1870, the colt firm rushed into. Another shortcoming of the thuer conversions was the complicated system of reloading, which involved a two position loading tool with several small accessories, used in conjunction with the pistol, minus its cylinder and conversion ring, and employing the loading lever for repriming the cases, seating the bullets, and removing stuck cartridges.
Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten. The get around this, thuer developed his own proprietary centerfire cartridge with no rim and a very slight taper. Having said that, i should point out that at least one other variation may exist, that being an experimental frankford arsenal insideprimed. Creator date created undated object type photographic print source original 1 photographic print. Colt developed a series of designs that could be used to convert an existing percussion gun to a cartridge revolver. The thuer conversion was from cap and ball to metallic cartridge. Read the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Sixround conversion cylinder converts steel frame, cap and ball revolvers to modern centerfire. Colt pistols derringer for sale guns international. The thuers conversion revolvers were one of the few developments that. The original colt cartridge conversions built mostly on 1851 navy.
Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia february 24, 2015 ian mccollum conversion, revolver, video 10 as the selfcontained metallic cartridge because popular, a niche industry developed in converting percussion revolvers to use the new cartridges. Read unlimited books and audiobooks on the web, ipad, iphone and android. To reload, just drop the cylinder, pull the plate off and dump the fired. Figure 10colts entry the thuer patent conversion, using a frontloading, tapered, reloadable cartridge figure 11the thuer reloading device in place. The two separate parts of the case are readily apparent in the small section from the drawing for the british patent on the pistol, shown above, and in the picture shown here of a sectioned. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions book by john. The first metallic cartridge revolver made by colt was the thuerconversion model revolver, a design that would not require a cylinder with cylindrical chambers so as not to infringe on the rollin white patent. It has colts patent on left side of the frame in an unusual pattern. Metallic cartridge conversions by dennis adler goodreads. These cartridges were loaded from the front of the cylinder and pressfit into place. I would reccommend this book as a really good guide to cartridge conversion. Revolver, colt thuer conversion of model 1861 navy, serial number 28822, made by.
Conversion cylinders if your not sure about which cylinder will best fit your needs give old south a call and we will do our best to answer your questions. This list can be expanded to even more with the odd head sizes and obsolete brass currently available. Thuer conversion, 8x44thuer with a very decent bore considering the hardused exterior condition. The thuer casing is made of two parts, a tapered brass cylindrical body and the internal brass primer assembly at the base. The attempt met little success, but examples surviving from the 5,000 made form a prized category for colt collectors. Stoegers classic handloading guide, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversion has been revised with a new, easytoreference format and additional cartridge data. All models of their original series conversion cylinders are designed for use with either. The various conversion systems used by colt are known as the thuer, followed by. I shoot two reproduction open top colts in competition and enjoyed reading about their history.
The cartridges for colts thuer conversions i included a picture of the two cartridges in the middle of this picture on my august 2004 picture page, but am now including the other two variations of the thuer cartridges that make up the complete set. Howell old west conversions howell cylinders and back plates are made from certified 4150 arsenal grade steel for insuring strength and durability. All models of their original series conversion cylinders are designed for use with either smokeless cowboy ammunition or black powder ammunition. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by. Cased london 1849 colt pocket, pistols historical and. Read the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions online by. These books have been great reference manuals for my brass converting projects and just finding load data for obsolete cartridges. Howell old west conversions old south firearms, llc. Sam colt strongly believed shooters would always prefer percussion revolvers allowing them to load their own. The key patent relating to the metallic cartridge, cylinders bored endtoend, was. Mains, planters from south carolina, and hazards, industrialists from pennsylvania, during the civil war. Cylinder and back plate fit together without screws.
After the rollin white patent expired, richards came up with his conversion model. Ken howells designing and forming custom cartridges for rifles and handguns hardback i bought this one new for over. The home guide to cartridge conversions 9780882270050 by nonte, george and a great selection of similar new, used and collectible books available now at great prices. Set of 3 cartridge conversion books if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. Howell arms conversion cylinders, cowboy conversion cylinders for percussion revolvers. Love and war, after the title of the original novel is a 1986 6part miniseries, the second part of a trilogy adapted from trilogy of novels north and south by john jakes.
The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions donnelly, john j towsley, bryce. Colt 1860 army richards cartridge conversion revolver. See more ideas about hand guns, firearms and revolver. Feb 23, 2015 the get around this, thuer developed his own proprietary centerfire cartridge with no rim and a very slight taper. Feb 28, 2017 this is the rimless thuer showing the modified rammer. Patterned after an original remington design for a dropin fit. It is the successor corporation to colts earlier firearmsmaking efforts, which started in 1836. A small number about 1500 of model 1851 navy revolvers was converted, using frontloaded, slightly tapered cartridges to fit. Now available for the first time since 2003, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools, and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 1,000 different rifle and pistol cartridge cases, ranging from the obsolete patterns to modern, cuttingedge wildcats. She said i need to go check it out as they have a bunch of gun books.
Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten weapons. Apr 28, 1987 now available for the first time since 2003, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools, and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 1,000 different rifle and pistol cartridge cases, ranging from the obsolete patterns to modern, cuttingedge wildcats. Booktopia has the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. After the arrival of that first cartridge firing revolver. Colt model 1860 army, thuer conversion, disassembled flickr. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions 9781616082383. John and judy donnelly have published a pretty cool book for those of us who like to. The first of these conversions was patented on september 15, 1868 by colt engineer, f.
Fake colt model 1860 thuer conversion army nra museums. Colts manufacturing company, llc cmc, formerly colts patent firearms manufacturing company is an american firearms manufacturer, founded in 1855 by samuel colt. To get around this restriction, colt came up with the thuer conversion to allow the cylinder of a converted 1860 army to be loaded from the front with a tapered cartridge. The nipplelike portion of the primer assembly is also. This is the classic book with all the information needed to make hundreds of different calibers. The thuer conversions were produced from 1869 until 1872. They were not very commercially successful, only about 5,000 were made. Colts metallic central fire cartridges, original unopened box. The dimensions appear to all have been asmeasured instead of to a specification. The nook book ebook of the the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Us military cartridge conversion revolvers sass wire.
The handloaders manual of cartridge conversion by john j. Colt richards conversion 1860 army forgotten weapons. This is the rimless thuer showing the modified rammer. Now for the bad boys who unconscionably ignored and infringed on the white patent bacon manufacturing company norwich, ct manufactured numerous infringing pistols, most notable were. Originator of the 45 60 250 brimstone conversion of the dragoon and walker. Before the richards conversion was the thuer conversions, but they were not practical because of the reverse tapered cartridge and did not sell very well.
Browse all new and used colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale and buy with confidence from guns international. The first such gun was the thuer conversion, followed by the much better richards conversion, and finally the simplified richardsmason conversion in addition to. Instead they tried to circumvent it, beginning in 1869, with the thuer conversion. Likes received 146 likes given 101 mini statistics. Fake colt model 1860 thuer conversion army manufactured between 1869 and 1872, thuer conversion revolvers were colts first metallic cartridge pistols.
The white patent was due to expire in 1869, and it was obvious sales of the thuer conversion were not going to take off. This conversion did not last very long, although some sources say as many as 5,000 were made, because it was soon replaced by a better solution, the richards conversion. Collectors and enthusiasts can track the history of the ori. The thuer conversion was the first colt revolver to utilize a metallic cartridge and is a scarce and historically significant revolver that is missing from many of the antique colt arms collections.
Overall, i would not trust this book in the slightest. Life has steered me in other directions so i need to get these books to someone who can use them. Basically a copy of the no 3 colt theur derringer in the smaller. Excellent book for collectors and old west shooters. Description a colt 1860 army revolver, thuer conversion, disassembled. Colt model 1862 police cartridge conversion revolver. Switch from percussion to cartridge by changing cylinders.
This is only the second thuer conversion ive owned in over 40 years of collecting and the only pocket model. Colt is known for the engineering, production, and marketing of firearms, most especially between the 1850s and world war i, when it. The action is somewhat sticky at times, but does seem to be functioning in a reasonable fashion. The answer was a series of cartridge conversions guns which could fire the new cartridges but could be built from the large existing stockpiles of percussion revolver components. This manual offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 900 rifle and. Colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j.
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